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ATV`s Choice Of TV Aerials

(And Why We Chose Them.....)

Our preferred model of Yagi18 Aerial, which is available in A, B, C/D, K and E groups.


These antennas have significantly better build quality than any X Beam aerial I`ve seen.


For loft mounted installs we`d recommend the XB10A or XB10B over the Yagi18A or Yagi18B.

DM Log Periodic Aerial


The perfect aerial for reasonable (strong to medium) signal areas. Only available in wideband.  

The standard aerial is a 26 element but we also stock a shorter 18 element version, the DM18 Log. It is 12in shorter at only 2ft 6in long but has 1 to 2dB less gain than the standard DM Log. It is suitable for those requiring the smallest aerial in the strongest signal areas, but particularly since switchover it will work fine in many locations.

Both aerials come with a tilting clamp (for poles up to 2”) which facilitates elevating the front end of the aerial which we recommend for all Log Periodic type aerials. As far as I`m aware the DM Log is the only model of Log Periodic on the market which is fitted with a tilting clamp


For gain figures see test results.                    For dimensions see table.


See Aerial Reports for the DM Log Periodics


Approx wind loading (at 80mph) = 35N  [18 element = 30N]    (greater if V polarised)

We recommend our grouped Yagi18 (or if you have to go wideband, our DY14WB) for poor areas of reception. Despite being significantly smaller (wind loading wise) than most “high gain” wideband aerials, the A group version will blow away any wideband antenna, and the B group outperforms every wideband I`ve ever tested. The version we stock has the best performance of all the Yagi18s on the market, it has a "balun", a cradle and a tilting clamp for poles up to 2”. Last, but by no means least, these Yagi18s are one of the sturdiest aerials on the market. In fact we sold one to a chap in Orkney and he reported it was still fine after a 110mph wind ! Many people replace Bacofoil aerials with these and are amazed at the difference in build quality, and you will be too....... I`ve always liked them, they`re one of my favourites.


For gain figures see test results.  For dimensions see table.  


See Aerial Reports for the Yagi 18A, Yagi 18B, Yagi 18C/D, Yagi 18K and Yagi 18E.


Yagi18 Approx wind loading (at 80mph) = 75 to 85N (greater if vertically polarised)


Examples of the major transmitters which can utilise a grouped Yagi18 are listed below.

DM Log Periodic aerial

Incredible as it may seem these aerials are actually Benchmarked.....

But it`s not just the fact it`s a “Bacofoil” aerial, it`s bleedin` gold for God`s sake !


Who would want one of these on their house ?


Answers on a post card to :


A.T.V,

“1970s TV Competition Reminiscences”,

419 Langsett Rd,

Sheffield,

S6 2LL


We didn`t like having to send in postcards did we ?

Ohh no.  

What we really wanted to do was pay through the nose to waste our time phoning up premium rate phone lines instead !                  Yes Siree Boss Hogg !

It`s GOLD for Gawds sake !

Our Aerial Recommendations


We sometimes get people asking to buy “the best aerial you stock, regardless of cost”. Unfortunately, contrary to what others may tell you (particularly if they`re trying to sell you an expensive antenna.....), there is no such thing as a “best aerial”. It all depends on the signal strength in your area and (if you`re in a poor spot) which transmitter you are on. The Log Periodics are amongst our cheaper aerials but if you live in a strong or medium signal area they are the best aerials to use, “better” than an XB22WB !  Similarly if you live in a marginal area but can utilise a grouped antenna, a grouped Yagi18 is more suitable than the aforementioned 22 bay wideband X Beam, despite being much cheaper.......


Basically I have made a decision to only stock the best aerial of each type that anyone might require, and days of testing (by my good self) ensures I can say this with a certain amount of authority. Therefore the simple answer is that all of our aerials are the best !  In fact any aerial (or indeed any product) we stock will be a top notch product, because, to put it simply, if it wasn`t we wouldn`t stock it. Incidentally, unlike most suppliers, we endeavour to provide spares for aerials purchased from us.


After much experimentation and research we have settled on seven types of aerial.


DM Log Periodic Wideband (For good to medium signal areas)


Log 36 Log Periodic T Group / Wideband (For medium to medium/poor signal areas)


Grid aerial (Wideband)  (Specialist aerial for medium signal areas)


Yagi18 A / B / CD / K / E or XB10 A / B / K (For poor signal areas)


DY14 Wideband (For poor signal areas)


XB16 A / B / K / E (For the most marginal signal areas)


XB22 Wideband (For the most marginal signal areas)


See our advice for which aerial to use with which transmitter.

There is another potential fly in the ointment with wideband aerials…….

The high power 4G transmissions from 2013, which, in some locations, may need filtering out. Well a B or K or (especially) A group aerial will avoid picking up a certain amount of the signal [which is from CH61 upwards] in the first place. And that may obviate the need for filters at some locations which may otherwise have needed them. Also see T group, plusses and minuses…...

Grouped aerials back in fashion ?

It`s a bit like clothes isn`t it ? Never throw away any clothes because they appear dated. Just wait till they come back into fashion……


Finally, we are often asked whether our recommended aerials are “CAI Benchmarked”. The simple answer is that some are and some aren`t. Why ? Well, as with wideband aerials, this is not a simple question..... We agree that any attempt to encourage the manufacture and sale of better quality aerials is a good thing. Most Benchmarked aerials are of good quality, though structural durability is not taken into account in the scheme. In fact it has to be said that a few of them are “Bacofoil” aerials, no names no packdrill.....

Oh go on then, SLX/Labgear/Philex.

Yagi 18B at our test site Yagi 18 aerial XB22WB aerial XB16E aerial DY14WB aerial up at our test site

DY14WB  

If you have to go wideband and you live in a poor reception area  we recommend our DY14WB. The DY14 Wideband is a “Double Yagi” type aerial and is well made, in fact These antennas also have significantly better build quality than any X Beam aerial I`ve seen. The aerial has a "balun", a cradle and a tilting clamp for poles up to 2”.

Size for size the DY14WB is aerial is the best wideband I`ve ever come across, in fact its performance is even reasonable in the A and B groups, though obviously a decent group A aerial (or our XB16 group B) will have more gain in the relevant groups frequencies.

The DY14 is a good choice for someone needing to fit a high gain wideband aerial in the loft because it`s only 5 ft long, which is pretty compact for an aerial with this amount of gain.


For gain figures see test results.  For dimensions see table.  


See Aerial Reports on the DY14WB


Approx wind loading (at 80mph) = 90N  (greater if vertically polarised)


Due to wind loading considerations if fitting to a 10ft pole we advise using the 2” variety.

DY14 Wideband up at our test site.


(note how the cradles are fitted perpendicularly to the dipoles/directors)


If you are unsure of the transmitter you will use, but you are sure you need

a “high gain” aerial (and most people don`t need one....) then this is the antenna I`d go for.

DY14WB aerial

XB10 up at our test site.




Note Emley Moor in the background.

The XB10 A / B / K is an alternative to the equivalent Yagi18 for poor areas of reception.

Although the XB10s have marginally more gain we normally recommend the grouped Yagi18s for outside installs because of their exceptional build quality. However, if you`re using the aerial in a loft it`s often a good idea to go for an XB10 because their smaller size enables more flexibility over where to install them within the roof space, furthermore they can also be end mounted (though we recommend cradle mounting the aerial for external installs). For an X Beam type these aerials are pretty strongly constructed and come with a cradle and tilting clamp for poles up to 2”.


For gain figures see test results.  For dimensions see table.   


XB10 Approx wind loading (at 80mph) = 95N   (greater if vertically polarised)


Due to wind loading considerations if fitting to a 10ft pole we advise using the 2” variety.


Examples of the major transmitters which can utilise an XB10A / B / K are listed below.

XB10 aerial at our test site

Strong to medium signal areas should use a DM Log Periodic.


Medium signal areas should use a Log 36.


Weak reception areas should use a Yagi18A for outside installs, or an XB10A (particularly in the loft).


Poorest signal locations should use an XB16A.


See our test results for these aerials.

Strong to medium signal areas should use a DM Log Periodic.


Medium signal areas should use a Log 36.


Weak reception areas should use a Yagi18B for outside installs, or an XB10B (particularly in the loft).


Poorest signal locations should use an XB16B.


See our test results for these aerials.

Strong to medium signal areas should use a DM Log Periodic.


Medium reception areas should use a Log 36.


Weak reception areas should use a Yagi18C/D* or a DY14WB.


Poorest signal locations should use an XB16E.


See our test results for these aerials.

Strong to medium signal areas should use a DM Log Periodic.


Medium areas should use a Log 36.


Weak reception areas should use a Yagi18E or a DY14WB.


Poorest signal locations should use an XB16E.


See our test results for these aerials.

Strong to medium signal areas should use a DM Log Periodic.


Medium areas should use a Log 36.


Weak reception areas should use a Yagi18K or a XB10K, the latter aerial particularly if mounted in a loft.


Poorest signal locations should use an XB16K.


See our test results for these aerials.

Strong to medium signal areas should use a DM Log.


Medium areas should use a Log 36.


Weak reception areas should use a DY14WB


Poorest reception areas should use an XB22WB.


See our test results for these aerials.

The K group aerials we stock outperform the equivalent wideband up to CH55.


Note, even the XB22WB does not give high gain at the bottom of the frequency range, there is no wideband aerial that will do this.


Aerial recommendations for wideband / T group transmitters

Angus *

Beacon Hill

Bristol Kings Weston

Hemel Hempstead

Llanddona

Mendip *

Oxford *

Plympton

Pontop Pike *

Sudbury

Tacolneston

Winter Hill *

Bilsdale

Bromsgrove

Chesterfield

Craigkelly

Idle

Aerial recommendations for K group transmitters


Note. Wideband antennas have a relatively poor response at the bottom of the band, so why fit a “high gain” wideband on a K group transmitter ?  If the site really is in a poor spot a high gain K group aerial should be used, e.g. an XB10K or even an XB16K.  On the other hand if the signal is strong (or medium) then by definition it doesn`t need a “high gain” antenna anyway ! Under these circumstances a Log Periodic should be fitted instead.


A group K aerial will help filter out the high power 4G transmissions.

(Angus *)

Brierley Hill

Carmel

Dover

Huntshaw Cross

Keighley

Knock

More

Limvady

Malvern

(Mendip *)

The B group 6 MUX transmitters


Black Hill

Bluebell Hill

Bristol Illchester Cres

Chatton

Emley Moor

Guildford

Hannington

Heathfield

Keelylang Hill

The A group 6 MUX transmitters


Aberdare

Blaenplwyf

Bressay

Brougher Mountain

Caldbeck

Caradon Hill

Crystal Palace

Darvel

Divis

Durris

Eitshall


Aerial recommendations for A group transmitters


Note. Due to Wideband antennas poor response at the bottom of the band nobody should ever fit a “high gain” wideband on any A group transmitter. If the site is in a poor spot an A group aerial should be used. On the other hand if the signal is strong (or medium) then by definition it doesn`t need a “high gain” antenna anyway ! Under those circumstances a Log Periodic should be fitted instead.                

See “the wrong aerial for Crystal Palace” (or any A group transmitter)

An A group aerial will help filter out the high power 4G transmissions.

Major Transmitters (and which aerial to use with which transmitter)


For the full list of the 80 main digital transmitters see 6 MUX Transmitters.


Also see “Which Transmitter Am I on ?


A group       B group       C/D group       K group       E group       Wideband

Finally in the weakest signal areas we would fit or sell the XB16 in group A, group B, group K and group E. For wideband there`s the XB22WB, picture below. These are all X Beam type antennas but they are still of reasonably strong construction, unlike some of that type, and all come with a cradle & tilting clamp (for poles up to 2”).

The XB16s are the highest gain grouped aerials we have tested.


Similarly the XB22WB has more gain than any other wideband we`ve tested, including the DY14WB, though it isn`t that much more !  However even the XB22WB does not give “high gain” at the bottom of the frequency range, I have never seen a wideband aerial which will do this.


For gain figures see test results  For dimensions see table.


See Aerial Reports for the XB16A  XB16B  XB16K  XB16E   XB22WB.


Approx wind loading (at 80mph) = 120N to 140N  (slightly greater if vertically polarised)


If fitting an XB16 or XB22 on a 10ft pole we strongly advise using one of 2” diameter.

Log 36 / Log40 Mk2 aerial

Aerial Dimensions


Below is a table with all the (approximate) dimensions of the antennas that we sell.


Note that although 6ft, 7ft or indeed 8ft sounds big, once it`s on your roof it wouldn`t usually look that big !


The wind loading figures are our own estimates, though we don`t think they`re that far out.

It should be borne in mind that vertically polarising an aerial will increase its wind loading.

We have given two figures for the length of each aerial, one is that from the first (front) element to the reflector and the other is the overall length of the boom. The XB10s can be end mounted if required, making them even more suitable for loft installations. However, for an outside install, we would not usually recommend end mounting an aerial of any appreciable size, as it will obviously put more strain/twisting forces on to the pole and its bracket. End mounting aerials can exert a very high torque and this was exceptionally annoying when I was undertaking aerial tests whilst there was wind about !  Log Periodics must be end mounted, but as can be seen from the table their wind loading is relatively low. The dimensions for the reflector(s) are for the whole (double) unit.


Incidentally the approximate wind load figures for satellite dishes (at 80mph) are 300N for a 43cm x 53cm Sky zone 1 dish / 380N for a 60cm dish / 450N for a 60cm x 75cm zone 2 Sky dish / 1050N for a 1m dish (1 Kg = 9.81 Newtons). But remember satellite dishes aren`t usually mounted on the end of long poles, which greatly increase the force on the bracket and the wall (or chimney) that it`s mounted on. Obviously the angle of the wind onto the dish is very significant, a southerly (i.e. onto the front of the dish) being the worst case.

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XB22WB aerial at our test site.

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Some of our customers need to transport the aerials after delivery ( particularly to avoid carriage supplements to NW Scotland and Northern Ireland ! ) so below we have a table showing the approximate sizes of the boxes which the aerials come in. These dimensions are also used by customers arranging their own collection, which, to some far flung addresses is cheaper than us organising the delivery through TNT.

XB16 A / B / K aerial at our test site.

Do not confuse this aerial with smaller 10 bay A / B / K group X beam type aerials.


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XB16 E aerial at our test site.

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* See "covering all eventualities"

We recommend Log Periodics for good or medium reception areas as they have even gain characteristics across the band, decent multi path rejection, low wind loading, efficient impulse noise suppression and (some) are physically strong in construction. Unfortunately they are only available in wideband and have relatively low gain, though the Log36 is better in this respect and is suitable for medium or medium/poor areas.

The Log is one of the best antennas, particularly for digital (Freeview), which is why we and the broadcast authorities, use them wherever possible, see why choose a Log Periodic ?

If there is such a thing as a “universal aerial” (which there isn`t, but bear with me....) this is it.




When it comes to aerial choice, remember the basic rule (which the broadcast authorities also use...), if you can use a Log, use a Log !

Log 36 Aerial (= Log 40 mk2)


The perfect aerial for medium or medium to poor signal areas.  In most cases (90% of installations ?) you can`t go far wrong with a Log36 TV aerial, particularly if you need a T group / wideband aerial. If you`re still short of gain then, and only then, try adding a variable gain (capable of being turned down to a low level) mast head amp.

The Log36 is specially tuned to help reduce interference from the mobile phone signals transmitted just above the TV band since 2013 (though it must be said a filter is generally the most effective way to combat that problem). Log36s are only available in T group / wideband (c/w clamp [non tilt] for poles up to 2”). See wiring up a Log36.


We recommend that all Log Periodic aerials are installed tilted up at the front end.


For gain figures see these test results.            For dimensions see this table.


See Aerial Reports for the Log36 / Log40


Approx wind loading (at 80mph) = 45N (greater if vertically polarised)

Yagi18B up at our test site. Note Emley Moor in the background.

DY14WB on test at our shop. Note the use of a side pole to prevent the cradle affecting the performance of the aerial, although this would not be required if the aerial were mounted at the top of the pole, like the DY14 in the lower picture.

These transmitters are still C/D for the main 6 MUXES. It is only the lower power HD MUXES (on 7 & 8) which may require an E group aerial.

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The original C/D group aerials may well work OK for all transmissions, though this is less likely for cheap crappy Contract aerials.

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Belmont

Knock More

Reigate

Rumster Forest

We are more than willing to give advice to those actually purchasing from us. Could those only seeking information please just find the answer somewhere on this site, or ring an aerial installer local to them, or call the reception advice phone numbers.


If you`ve found this site informative and, hopefully, interesting as well,

please help us increase the number of people reading it.


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Aerial recommendations for E group transmitters

DM Log trailing lead

The DM Log`s 6 inch trailing lead (c/w rain proof slide over cover) makes it even more suitable as a touring aerial. A full length lead is then attached to this “tail” (link).

XB16A / XB16B / XB16K high gain aerial

We can shorten the boxes for the XB16s (to 48” /1.2m) and FM3s (to 59"/1.5m) if necessary.

Fenham

Fenton

Hastings

Kilvey Hill

Lancaster

Pendle Forest

Pontypool

Ridge Hill

Rowridge

Stockland Hill

Storeton

Torosay

Aerial recommendations for B group transmitters


A group B aerial will help filter out the high power 4G transmissions.

Moel Y Parc

Presely

Redruth

Rosemarkie

Saddleworth

Sutton Coldfield

Tunbridge Wells

Wenvoe

Aerial recommendations for C/D group transmitters

Midhurst

Oliver`s Mount

(Oxford *)

(Pontop Pike *)

Rosneath

Salisbury

Selkirk

Whitehawk Hill

(Winter Hill  *)

The C/D group 6 MUX transmitters

Lark Stoke

Nottingham

Sandy Heath

Sheffield

The Wrekin

The K group 6 MUX transmitters

The E group 6 MUX transmitters

The wideband / T group 6 MUX transmitters

Waltham (only MUXES 4, 7 & 8 are out of group) *

DM Log / DM18 Log (Widebands)


Log36 (Log40 mk2) T group / Wideband


Grid Wideband aerial


Yagi 18 A / B / CD / K / E


XB10 A / B / K


DY14 Wideband



XB16 A / B / K / E


XB22 Wideband

Our TV Aerial Recommendations including :

Aerial Dimensions (including windloading)


Aerial Box Dimensions


Major Transmitters (and which aerials they require)


(Also see ATV`s choice of FM / DAB aerials)

The strong (and repairable) construction of the DM Log together with its relatively compact size also make it perfect for use in boats and caravans as well as on houses. In my opinion there is no aerial more well suited to boats and caravans than this one.

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The Grid is a specialist aerial most often used these days when trying to reduce the signal from a transmitter directly behind the antenna. In addition, because of its wide but short construction, it can also be useful for installations requiring an antenna of that shape.


See article on the Grid aerial


For its performance see its gain curve.


For the aerial`s dimensions see table.


Approximate wind loading (at 80mph) 75N

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Grid / quad stacked array aerial

ATV`s Choice Of Aerials & The Great Wideband / T group Debate


Whether to use a wideband / T group aerial or not is a source of much debate. The CAI and the BBC recommend the installation of wideband aerials, or they did, they`re not so sure any more ! For most installs, i.e. those in strong or medium signal strength areas (90% of homes, or more ? ), we agree with them and advise the installation of one or other of the Log Periodics, which are wideband or T group anyway. If your transmitter is a wideband we would (obviously) also advise fitting a wideband even if you live in a marginal signal area.

So far so good.

However if you live in a poor reception area, and your transmitter is grouped, many of those in the aerial industry diverge quite markedly from this blanket wideband advice. You must bear in mind that a grouped antenna can give you significantly more signal than a wideband. In fact, if you are on an A group transmitter, there is no such thing as a high gain wideband or T group aerial !  Reading this customer aerial report (and the others) is very educational on this point. To a lesser extent this high gain wideband inferiority also applies to B group and K group transmitters.

So what is the explanation for this inconsistency ?

Well, being a cynic I think it`s yet another example of the modern trend to “pass the buck”.It`s easy for “the powers that be” to recommend widebands because they cover themselves if (and it is an if...) they ever decide to start transmitting out of band in the future. But it isn`t them who have to put up with a potentially weaker signal.

You see, wideband aerials in a marginal signal area ? It isn`t that simple......


There is the possibility of some additional local TV channels via the the "interleaved spectrum", plus a slight possibility chance of 2 or 3 more MUXES being transmitted between CHs 31 and 37. But the great majority of people will pick up all these on an aerial of the original group for the relevant transmitter. Whatever the truth of the matter I`d have thought that people should be more bothered about getting a reliable digital signal now, rather than risking a less reliable signal for what may, or may not, happen at some time in the future.

Anyway, back to Benchmarked aerials. But, and it`s a significant but, just because an aerial is not Benchmarked does not mean that it is in any way inferior. Quite apart from the fact that there are four different levels of Benchmarking (so you have to be specific about what you mean be Benchmarked aerial) most grouped variants of the same model of aerial are not Benchmarked whilst the wideband version is  Benchmarked !  Bearing in mind that over its designed for frequencies the grouped model will perform better than the wideband (sometimes by a large margin) this seems somewhat bizarre. With a bit of background information the explanation is not hard to comprehend. It costs the aerial manufacturers up to one thousand pounds to put an aerial through the Benchmarking process so they will only do this for products which they will sell a fair number of and/or make a fair bit of money on. When you realise that widebands outsell grouped aerials by a large margin (most aerial suppliers - to the public - and all DIY shops only sell widebands) it all becomes clear.


In short, a version (usually the wideband) of all our recommended aerials is Benchmarked.

But, as far as I`m concerned, it`s irrelevant. I`ve done my own tests thanks.  


Also see “the wrong aerial for Crystal Palace” (or any A group transmitter)

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Log Periodic aerial

The Great Wideband Debate  (including Benchmarked aerials)

The subjects on this page are

listed in the following order :

DM18 Log Periodic aerial

The DM18 is the shorter version of the

DM Log at only 2ft 6in, but is just as well made and (our version) comes with a heavy duty tilting clamp.

Aerial dimensions

The main 6 MUXES are still C/D, MUXES 7 & 8 may req an E group.

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Aerial box dimensions and weights